March 9, 2007
Liberals have Pelosi by the throat
Posted by icanplainlysee under anti-war, democrats, life, news, peace, politics, republicans
Socialist/pacifist house liberal Democrats, quaintly labeled progressives, are fired up and ready to mutiny against Speaker Pelosi. Ending the war in Iraq trumps anything else on earth. Any measure will do, cutting off funding for the troops, ending the war procedurally, whatever. Get out NOW! And, don’t let the door hit you in the ….
A great WSJ article gives the ugly, hateful details.
Here’s what the Democrats had to say about WMD. (video) Thanks Pat Dollard
March 9, 2007 at
Hi Hank,
It won’t end there. You have to remember that liberals hate our Military, and will do anything within their power to diminish it. Hence, the scheme to use budget cuts to force us our of Iraq. The last time they were in charge, at the beginning of the Clinton years, they used the fall of the USSR as an excuse to cut our Armed Forces by a third. They will use our withdrawal from Iraq for the same purpose. It’s the nature of the beast.
the Grit
March 10, 2007 at
Fortunately Murtha blabbed about his evil slow bleed plan.
I have to admit I enjoy watching Pelosi squirm, trying to keep the moderates and the unhinged happy at the same time.
Neil, Exactly. Pelosi’s speakership fails if her ordinarily compliant extremist allies uncork their venom on the public. Melodramatic? nah. Kooks and nuts abound in the Democrat party.
March 10, 2007 at
what makes me so sad is so many of my christian friends (and these are people that do really love Jesus)… are falling under this “progressive” label.
Are you famliiar with “God’s politics” and the like. They are all under that spell. most of them have really good motives of helping the poor and what not… and not liking people dying in war…. but they really REALLY don’t get the big long term picture… And because so many of the young “hip” evangelical leaders are lining up behind the likes of Jim Wallis, they feel like they are going in a reasonable direction. It makes me so sad. I get tired of debating because I’m a growing minority. Many of my friends helped vote pelosi right into the house leadership. Someone help my generation!!!!
March 10, 2007 at
Hi Grit,
I seem to remember a half million troops in the first Iraq war, and now it’s a major strain to field 140,000 at one time, so I see your point.
It seems Mr. Murtha is beholden to far left websites and bloggers, not just in unsion on policy, but compelled to act as point man for what are strategically and tactically, very bad ideas.
Wonder how he ended up there?
Hank
March 10, 2007 at
Agreed Neil,
Her own people are causing major consternation and intra party squabbling seems to be the order of the day.
She’s done a good job of curtailing the impeach Bush crowd, and has been able to hold the extreme left to a minimum of embarrassing incidents so far.
Her speakerships success relies on her ability to maintain control over the fringe nuts, like Maxine Waters for instance, who says the CIA invented crack and AIDS to kill all the black people in America.
The Dems big tent houses some real screwballs who’ve been around a long time and want to use this new power to push an agenda that scares any sane person when exposed.
Nancy’s thinking ‘08. Her crew is thinking revenge.
Hank
March 10, 2007 at
Hi Mommy,
I remember 1984, when Democrats were finally realizing serious fear about evangelicals becoming a large and growing Republican voting block, and the techniques used by the left to discourage this trend.
Jack Germond, in the Baltimore Sun wrote, and I paraphrase: “God is not a Democrat. God is not a Republican. God… is not even an American.” He went on to discourage Christian voters, and remember, this was a new phenomonon, what with the dirt and grime of politics and the dirty hands anyone ends up with who gets involved.
This type of effort failed, and even though legally using non-profit groups for raising funds or endorsing particular candidates, or other political purposes is illegal, the line is crossed by both parties.
The “social gospel” you speak of is nothing new, does have the allure of seeming to help, but whose ends are more about sending churches off in the wrong direction rather than actually being a sustainable goodwill effort.
FBI agents learning to identify counterfeit money never see it, but instead study deeply and completely all about the genuine article. When you know what’s right, a phony will be spotted a mile away.
The young, without an anchor, can easily be lead astray. When history begins the day you’re born, or the day you start to pay attention, the stage is set for a long, winding path of error and missteps.
Maybe working on one person at a time is the way to go. Often, those following a false gospel aren’t sure why, other than it feels right and sounds good. This is a serious disadvantage when discussing God.
Hank
March 10, 2007 at
The young, without an anchor, can easily be lead astray. When history begins the day you’re born, or the day you start to pay attention, the stage is set for a long, winding path of error and missteps.
The modern efforts to make history more appealing, or worse, to focus on non-Western history to the detriment of our own, is really what is killing any hope of a sustainable future. Until students have learned about the failed Grecian experiment with democracy, they cannot be good citizens of America.
March 10, 2007 at
Hank, you are right about Maxine. She’s a real treat. At a pro-choice March she made this morbidly ironic statement: ““I have to march because my mother could not have an abortion.” Gee, Maxine, I disagree with your pro-choice views but I’m glad your mom didn’t have an abortion.
Mommyzabs, I share your concerns about the “God’s Politics” and the Wallis crowd. There hearts are sometimes in the right place but their theology is bad. Wallis like to say how 2,000+ Bible verses talk about the poor, but he draws the wrong application from it. He concludes that the Christian role is to encourage the government to take the money of others by force to help the poor. Of course, the Bible teaches that we should help the poor with our money.
Some people say we should leave our religious views out of politics completely, but that is moronic. Using their logic any Christian candidate would have to do the opposite of what his religious views said. Of course our religious views should inform our political views.
March 10, 2007 at
LOL to Neil.
I mean, I could really understand, “I have to march because my mom couldn’t have a life-saving abortion and died.”
One’s moral views should certainly inform one’s politics, but that should not be trumped by the fact that ours is a country of men and laws. (I wrote something to which you responded re: a woman who had been raped but prosecuted the apologising rapist anyway. It would be a frightening place when religion so informs the decision to prosecute that prosecution, for example, would not happen.)
March 10, 2007 at
Hank,
I was 10 in 1984, and while I knew Regan was the “good guy” and did watch the news at a young age… I was pretty clueless as to the Christian role in politics… or how our belief system applied. I am not even sure I knew that they were killing babies in the womb yet. I’m sure my parents didn’t want to explain that one.
Thank you for informing me on that history though. Unfortunately, for the most part, my knowledge of history is lacking and I probably am one of those whose knowledge of history starts at my awakening. Fortunately, at least I think that awakening began at a young age.
Neil,
That is exactly what I argue with my friends… that it is the job of the church to take care of the poor! God wasn’t talking to the American gov’t, but rather those with a personal relationship. I just don’t understand why they drew the line at govt responsibility when it is just so obvious that the it is not governed by the same laws of good stewardship. My generation is largely frustrating to me. I have been trying to remember to turn my groanings about my friends into prayer and intercession. Sometimes watching the news makes me already feel defeated.
mommy zabs
March 11, 2007 at
Bridget - agreed, we would never want the government to “forgive” and not apply any justice. In fact, the government doesn’t even have standing to forgive; only the victim does. The government is there to dispense justice, which the Bible fully supports (Romans 13 and elsewhere). Of course, justice can be dispensed with mercy and consideration of the circumstances.
Mommyzabs - someone reminded me this morning of how negative the news is designed to be. It made me consider a “media fast” experiment to see if it would lift my mood! I like to be informed, but there are so many uplifting and true stories that could be told each day, but instead we get fiction about global warming.
March 13, 2007 at
Neil,
We are in agreement. I remember that you & LL both responded with astute comments about the difference between forgiveness and justice.
MommyZabs: Excellent points. A lot of the point of a federalist system is that we can better take care of things on a smaller level. The most pervasive social ills will never be fixed on the federal level; it is for the communities to fix, not Congress. My friend, who blogs at Queen of Swords, put it very well: people are looking for God and they try to find it in a government that is all-powerful and merciful.
March 13, 2007 at
Neil,
yes, i know a news fast would be good for me and my typical anxiety levels. life has actually been rather busy lately so the last few days i’m pretty media clueless which has probably been a good thing! But i also have to avoid (some of) my friends frustrating veiws as well!
Obromophile,
very well put. i will be quoting both you and the queen of swords.