Far out, dude.
Ever wonder why the Left in America seem’s so willing to promote just about anything that furthers legal aid and protection for foreign terrorists?
It’s no coincidence that the Socialist Left and Islamist desires to destroy America make for a cozy partnership. A match made in hell, certainly.
You might enjoy a video reminder of the recent history of Jihad, and another video expressing the connection between modern Islamist ideology and their historical counterparts.
Islam is not really about sawing the heads off of unbelievers, at least not right at first.
An important intermediate step is allowing unbelievers to live in submission to muslims, if a long list of do’s and dont’s are followed to the letter and something called a jizya, or poll tax, is willingly paid and you behave as one who has been subdued. So, technically, you could bribe your way into avoiding death. You might regret your decision, once the myriad of opressive measures were inflicted upon you, but you would still be breathing.
While in this no man’s land of dhimmitude, and paying a prohibitive tax for the pleasure of remaining on Muslim land, you might have second thoughts. Keep in mind, this tax supports Muslim life. The booty from conquered lands was substantial, and motivated much of the agressive warring activities of Islam, while the tax was an ongoing interest payment for putting up with the infidel monkeys and apes in their midst. Booty in warring action’s payed for further such activity.
The next most logical step would be submission to Islam, and forsaking any behavior not specifically aligned with Quranic teachings. However, your never truly accepted as a Muslim, nor a convert, but rather a revert, since according to Islam, everyone is a Muslim, they just don’t know it yet. So, even in this submitted state of an actual Muslim, your never really an insider.
Now we arrive at the beheadings, a favored way to take the lives of those who refuse to submit to Allah. Done properly, this is at best gruesome, but effective for killing, and sends a powerful political message.
So, if anyone says the terrorists want to cut your head off, they’re right. But, historical Islam thought it wiser collecting an income from those they conquered, rather than killing the golden goose of their dhimmi’s.
Nothing has changed. The identical Islam is practiced by fundamentalist Muslims worldwide, with the majority preferring to practice the lukewarm version rather than the historical one, so beheadings are a recent reinstatement, and take place in Saudi Arabia and Iran frequently, along with stoning women to death and chopping off the hands and/or feet of thieves.
Western sensibilities may be offended by these truths, I know I was. With the sweet moniker of the “religion of peace”, the dismissal of Islamist threats, and relegation of terrorists attacks to isolated incidents committed by unstable “youths”, joining those who ignore these realities takes no effort. Do nothing, believe what your told, and presto! No Islamic terrorist threat. Only a handful of “extremists” who hijacked the religion.
I would encourage a little reading, a little study, no imagination necessary. The facts of history speak for themselves.
March 4, 2007 at 6:30 am
Awesome post.
I notice how the appeasers defend Islam by pointing to its “golden age,” when it was supposedly tolerant of non-Muslims in conquered lands. Of course, that version of Islam never existed. That aside, I’ll never understand how leftists can spin their abstract versions of “reality” in the face of videotaped beheadings, honor killings, and all the other utterly physical expressions of the “Religion of Peace.”
March 4, 2007 at 9:18 pm
Hi Hank,
I knew several Iranians back in college. They were attending our school on a free ride by the hated Shaw. I’ll never forget the two girls, in skimpy outfits, at a party talking about the coming revolution and how great things would be afterward. I’d love to be able to ask them how they enjoy their burkas and their new position is society. Be careful what you ask for, it may come true.
the Grit
March 4, 2007 at 10:52 pm
Hi Lewd,
Your exactly right. Islam has always been a violent, intolerant, warring clan with an ideology that worked in the medieval world when the it was invented, but can only coexist with Western civilization when it’s adherents are militarily subdued, or with a police state type government, or when they decide to withhold the full, and mandatory, practice that is true Islam.
Moderating the faithful, diligent practice of Islam is offensive to the fundamentalists and their rage at pretending has finally been uncorked.
The socialist left, always on the hunt for anything to denigrate, demoralize or destroy Anerica, has found a new ally that will, if left unchecked, do the dirty work the radicals don’t have the guts to do, namely actually main or murder defenders of freedom.
There are a couple of video links worth watching in this post, and though they’re a bit dramatic, this does not make them any less truthful. Nice to have you comment!
Hank
March 4, 2007 at 10:59 pm
Hi Grit,
Good point. I suspect those that didn’t escape Iran with the fall of the Shah were damned sorry they didn’t.
What truly amazes me are the supportive women of Islam, defending and protecting what are transparently brutal treatments and archaic rules of conduct. There may be a cultural Stockholm syndrome here, but then again with training and threats of torture and death, I’m thinking you can get most anyone to cooperate.
How those women you mention would think fundamentalist theocracy and Sharia governance would be a good thing is beyond me.
They certainly know better, now.
Hank
March 5, 2007 at 6:13 am
Even someone as moderate as myself sometimes gets a bit apoplectic when I think about the excesses of Islam. I try to be tolerant, and as an example, a student in my school recently came of age and now wears a head covering. She seems to be a bit uneasy with it, as it makes her different, and wears a hood over it, except when she is in my class. I told her she should wear the covering and take satisfaction in it.
An aside is I pray that she doesn’t go through some of the more traumatic passages Islamic females go through at puberty.
Perhaps the difference between our nation’s reactions to bullying by terror was best shown by the respective reactions of ths US and the former USSR in 1979 when Iranian Militants captured both embassies. We all know what happened with our hostages, and how our nation was run through the mud. The Soviet response, was to the Iraqi government, and with 30 minutes the militants had dispersed. Iran’s leadership was told in no uncertain terms what the consequences would be if the Soviet Embassy and citizens were not released. Somehow, I don’t think they planned to go to the UN and lodge a complaint.
Speak softly, carry a big stick, and use the darned thing when needed.
March 5, 2007 at 2:27 pm
Hi Voice,
Thanks for a rarely recounted reminder of Jimmy Carter/liberal/pacifist paralysis and feeble pandering following the Iranian embassy debacle in comparison with the Soviets. These were the seeds of rapidly growing Islamist terror, and even more dangerous, the clever manipulation of governmental institutions to placate and submit to fundamentalist Muslim demands.
Could this trend of Islamist influence have been nipped in the bud by a forceful, unmistakably resolute response by the Carter administration? We’ll never know, because they didn’t have the guts to try.
I appreciate that a gentle soul like yourself know’s when it’s time to take out the stick and use it, popular or not.
You delicately refrained from mentioning by name the female genital mutilation, most often performed without anesthesia, sterile insturments, or medical training. This, another medieval brutality exercised against young girls, is true Islam.
God help the victims of this evil ideology.
Hank
March 5, 2007 at 3:45 pm
And these are the folks the left protects. Goes to show you that the left isn’t that concerned about women’s rights, homosexual rights, et al. I wonder if the Arab dictator’s ultimate power has a certain allure to them. It makes them think, if only we could rule the righties like these Arab Princes rule.
March 5, 2007 at 4:11 pm
Hi TT,
I don’t think Socialist/Marxists care any more about civil liberties, rights or their fellow humans than they do about what color shirt you wore to work today.
They do care almost exclusively about gaining totalitarian power over other people and their money,(see Global Warming). That any despotic regime would seem attractive to these folks makes sense.
Hank
March 5, 2007 at 4:45 pm
Let’s look at the way people view Christianity. It seems that faith in the literal resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead is viewed as ‘fanaticism’ (at worst) or ‘fundamentalism’ (at best) yet the Resurrection is the central tenet of the faith. Without this historical event, faith in Christ is worthless, as the Apostle Paul pointed out (1 Corinthians 15:14).
Of course there are “Christians” (Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptists) who are viewed as the true Christians by the media and others, why? Because they represent the caricature of the fire-breathing, bible-thumping “Christian” some in the media have in their minds when it comes to anyone who believes in things unseen.
March 5, 2007 at 6:31 pm
Fred Phelps ain’t a Baptist. He’s a cult leader.
To the post, it reminds me of my most favoritist quote that I quote to just about everybody.
“He who does not learn from history is destined to repeat it.”
March 5, 2007 at 9:09 pm
Hi Hank,
What can I say, some women like it rough? Oh, did you know that I have to be logged into WordPress to leave a comment?
theloandrifter, at least under the Bush administration, cults aren’t slaughtered by the Government. Of course, if a Democrat wins next year… Makes me glad I’m an atheist.
the Grit
March 5, 2007 at 9:32 pm
If a Democrat wins next year, the country might be overrun by Muslims who don’t stinking care whether you are cultish, atheist, or Christian if you aren’t Muslim.
March 5, 2007 at 9:56 pm
Hi lone,
I agree, Fred Phelps is the worst kind of cult leader..he speaks half truths, has a faithful following who fund his evil, twisted version of Godly behavior, and he provides a stereotypical punching bag for the press.
I don’t think muslims will be running wild in the streets just yet, considering the substantial inroads they’re making in manipulating guilt ridden whites into submitting to Islam, one seemingly minor demand after the other.
I agree that when the times comes, no matter what kind of cowardly bowing and scraping you’ve done or supported, your head will roll along with any other non-submissive individual.
Thanks for commenting.
Hank
March 5, 2007 at 10:00 pm
Hi Grit,
If Phelps and his clan actually get paranoid enough, they may just hole up somewhere in a nice, neat pile where they can be dealt with as a group. I guess that’s not funny, when you think about it.
Why the login? Have you explored the brand new “global dashboard”? Might make it easier for you.
I linked your phony global warming expose story from this morning, but the guy deleted the comment.
Speaking of cults, these global warming worshippers are a testy bunch.
Hank
March 5, 2007 at 10:01 pm
Hi Laz,
I agree with both paragraphs. Well said.
Hank
March 5, 2007 at 10:50 pm
Hi icanplainlysee,
Loved this one. We are just not well informed to what we are up against. Goes to your other post about the slanted media.
Also, I didn’t delete the post about the global warming article. Don’t know what happened but Grit has the link on one of his topics on his home page now, so check it out.
March 6, 2007 at 12:44 am
Hi icanplainlysee,
On this issue,
I have never understood the American position.
How do you determine who is your (America’s) friend and who is your enemy?
Are all the followers of Islam your enemies?
Are they your allies in the war on ‘terror’?
Or are they themselves the terror you need to fight?
How could you join hand with them to fight Russians in Afghanistan?
Now you are fighting the same mujaheddin that you helped train.
You helped train the mujaheddins with the help of Pakistani Army and ISI.
The same ISI and maybe senior Pakistani military officials are now protecting the Talibans and Al-qaeda.
It is also believed that ISI themselves are shielding Bin – Laden.
You, yet have not been able to capture Bin-Laden even though there is a $25m reward.
You call President Musharaff an ally,
when he continues to deny his country the democracy,
that you are fighting to introduce in Iraq.
And has made a deal with the Taliban in the NW Provinces,
the very forces NATO now has to fight.
You may suspect how much help he himself has given to Mr Bin laden.
You pumped $$ into Pakistan during the cold war,
and turned a blind eye when they bought technology to manufacture N-bombs and missiles,
the same technology was passed on to Iran, and now you have to send more of your boys and girls to fight to prevent the bombs being built.
The dollars you sent were siphoned off to build training camps in Pakistan occupied Kashmir, from where insurgents make repeated incursions into Indian Kashmir.
( will not go into the US Saudi friendship.)
Their religion is such,
that either they are with you, or they are against you.
Either you are safe from Pakistan’s N missiles, or yourself will one day be the target.
When will it be the time for you to decide?
If you don’t, you will never win any wars.
On the contrary you will be vulnerable to attacks.
Imagine,
a civilian passenger aircraft
with a nuclear payload in its hold,
flown by a legitimate airline (suicide) pilot, flies into and lands in your capital airport…
it will be too late for you to take any actions.
March 6, 2007 at 2:26 am
Little Indian,
I had a whole dissertation of “simplified” answers to the broad topics of your post, when my page refreshed and wiped the whole thing out.
To sum up, yes, alot of us (Americans) are aware of the “with us or against us” aspect of Islam. And, yes, we know that the “Pakis” are far from beacons of exemplary behavior, having been the cause of MANY acts of terrorism themselves in regards to, not just Kashmir, but India as a whole. Too little time and space to get into it here, but it’s hard for a nation built on the moniker of religious tolerence to say “every religion but this one will be tolerated.” I think that the precariousness of that hypothetical situation is self-evident and need not be explained further.
Good points, and there are answers to some of them, but unfortunately the answers are not as simple as the questions.
best wishes to you,
s.
March 6, 2007 at 11:14 am
Oooops. :(
I hope that it is not an omen of the things to come.
Wiping out everything, in the name of refreshing.
March 6, 2007 at 10:58 pm
Hi Indian,
Far as I can tell, America has no friends.
We have economic arrangements, military surrogates, enemies, and a few willing sidekicks. Friends? No.
Hope that clears up the muddled, confusing task of deciding who America’s pals are-there aren’t any.
Hank
March 6, 2007 at 11:01 pm
Hi Sand,
I was having the same problem yesterday.
It’s a commie plot.
Hank
March 6, 2007 at 11:50 pm
Thanks icanplainlysee,
for clearing that confusion for me.
So whatever (America) you do,
you do only for your own benefit
and not for humanity or democracy or any such empty talks.
But that goes against the reasons
given for the War in Iraq.
It couldn’t have been anything
to do with the ‘butchery’ of Saddam,
of his atrocities against fellow Iraqis.
(nor the WMDs,
that never existed
nor links with AlQueda,
Bin Laden himself wanted to fight the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait).
I wonder what did Iraq have that was so important for you, that you wanted only for yourself? hmmmmmm…OIL? perhaps?
And the billions of dollars he had exchanged for Euros!
Why do you not for once tell the world
that you do not have any friends
and will only fight for your self interest.
In reality “you are not with anyone,
you are against everyone”.
Tell the Iraqis that you never were and neither will you be a friend of theirs.
I are in Iraq only for your self interest, their oil.
Its not fair to mislead and get their hopes up, is it?
I also do not understand, why a country
so powerful, so wealthy needs to have surrogates and sidekicks?
Is it a sign of weakness?
Can you not fight on your own.
Why drag in other nations and create more confusion and misunderstanding?
Oh, and next I am passing by,
do remind me to ask you
who amongst your citizen are the true Americans?
Who are you standing up for?
I know you do not tolerate the communists, or followers of Islam,
I was wondering who else is on that list of undesirable elements?
March 7, 2007 at 10:06 pm
Hi Hank,
I’ll check out the dashboard thing.
little indian, you have a very limited view of the world, and not a very PC one if your handle and icon are any indication. Just because something is good for the US, doesn’t mean it is not also good for others. For instance, for decades we have taken the burden of defending Europe on our shoulders because we figured that, after WWI and WWII, they couldn’t be trusted with guns. This, in turn, has allowed them the decadent luxury of their socialist existence. Even better, there are rare occasions where we actually plan ahead. You should pay attention to our continued insistence on free trade. While this, at the moment, costs us greatly in our commercial dealings with less well off countries, in the long run it will grow their economies and produce new markets for our high end goods and services. You have to learn to think big.
the Grit
March 7, 2007 at 11:59 pm
Grit,
I had asked icanplainly see these questions.
These were in context of a sequence of previous discussions we have had.
He himself has said that US has no friends, reading which I had further questions to ask. That is what I have done.
I will wait for him to respond, I am sure his response will be more honest and civil than yours.
Whether my handle or icon is PC or not
is as irrelevant here, as is the debate of the US forces real contribution 9or lack of it) in WWII,
or your attempt to answer on Hank’s behalf.
In the meanwhile,
have a think as to why Dollar has to be the only currency for oil trade?
why Saddam was captured and hung for selling oil for Euros and converting his dollars?
why Iran is the next target for trying to open their own Oil Bourse and sell for Euros?
Or what will happen to US when dollar is no longer a petrocurrency?
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Hi icanplainlysee,
I hope you are well.
I was passing through and realised
my questions were still unanswered.
You are usually prompt with your responses.
Best wishes.
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