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		<title>By: icanplainlysee</title>
		<link>http://icanplainlysee.wordpress.com/2007/02/11/imam-prays-for-conversion-of-democrats/#comment-372</link>
		<dc:creator>icanplainlysee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremias,

Let me start by applauding your decision to educate yourself about Islam. This task is a bit more difficult than studying the Bible. The Quran is largely incoherent, not in recanting the world according to Mohammed, but structurally and chronologically, and provides no continuous narrative, but seems to be speaking to those who know the outline of the story already.

The tasfir and hadith provide commentary on the Quran and the traditions of Mohammed.

The sira provides the biography of Mohammed. This was produced app. 150 years after Mohammeds death and was the first full-length version. Many modern Islamic scholars use this work, important because many events in the life of Mohammed appear nowhere else.

These books make up the Sunnah.

There are many books written by a combination of authors. Some are apologist in nature, some expository. Some modern works, designed to introduce an understanding of Islam to Western unbelievers, do so in the current climate of the rise of jihad, once again, and would answer a myriad of questions which arise daily.

I&#039;ll gladly recommend titles and authors when you decide to set aside the time for your work.

Hank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremias,</p>
<p>Let me start by applauding your decision to educate yourself about Islam. This task is a bit more difficult than studying the Bible. The Quran is largely incoherent, not in recanting the world according to Mohammed, but structurally and chronologically, and provides no continuous narrative, but seems to be speaking to those who know the outline of the story already.</p>
<p>The tasfir and hadith provide commentary on the Quran and the traditions of Mohammed.</p>
<p>The sira provides the biography of Mohammed. This was produced app. 150 years after Mohammeds death and was the first full-length version. Many modern Islamic scholars use this work, important because many events in the life of Mohammed appear nowhere else.</p>
<p>These books make up the Sunnah.</p>
<p>There are many books written by a combination of authors. Some are apologist in nature, some expository. Some modern works, designed to introduce an understanding of Islam to Western unbelievers, do so in the current climate of the rise of jihad, once again, and would answer a myriad of questions which arise daily.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll gladly recommend titles and authors when you decide to set aside the time for your work.</p>
<p>Hank</p>
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		<title>By: jeremiasx</title>
		<link>http://icanplainlysee.wordpress.com/2007/02/11/imam-prays-for-conversion-of-democrats/#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>jeremiasx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll have to go put on a coffee and do some more serious perusal of the Koran...I didn&#039;t really know much about it before, and the more I find out, the more it does seem to be quite intolerant of other faiths...

I would like to point out though, as a student of Judeo-Christian philosophies and their evolution from strict adherence to scripture to a much more liberal and open world-view. 

I think one would probably mistaken to believe that all Muslims believe in a call to Jihad any more than all Jews believe in strict adherence to Torah and Talmud doctrines...if they did, we&#039;d probably be attacking their brutality for dragging adulterous women to the gate and stoning them as normal judicial practice (since the Old Testament laws actually call for it)

The words of the Imam could be construed in any fashion one chose to liberally interpret them...they could be a call for an end to occupation in Iraq, for instance, not Israel...which would seem to be the case considering the Democrats having chosen him to lead an invocation for their anti-war platform and Barack and Hillary&#039;s support of Israeli policies, mainly inferred by myself due to their lack of condemnation of the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have to go put on a coffee and do some more serious perusal of the Koran&#8230;I didn&#8217;t really know much about it before, and the more I find out, the more it does seem to be quite intolerant of other faiths&#8230;</p>
<p>I would like to point out though, as a student of Judeo-Christian philosophies and their evolution from strict adherence to scripture to a much more liberal and open world-view. </p>
<p>I think one would probably mistaken to believe that all Muslims believe in a call to Jihad any more than all Jews believe in strict adherence to Torah and Talmud doctrines&#8230;if they did, we&#8217;d probably be attacking their brutality for dragging adulterous women to the gate and stoning them as normal judicial practice (since the Old Testament laws actually call for it)</p>
<p>The words of the Imam could be construed in any fashion one chose to liberally interpret them&#8230;they could be a call for an end to occupation in Iraq, for instance, not Israel&#8230;which would seem to be the case considering the Democrats having chosen him to lead an invocation for their anti-war platform and Barack and Hillary&#8217;s support of Israeli policies, mainly inferred by myself due to their lack of condemnation of the same.</p>
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		<title>By: icanplainlysee</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Grit,

I agree.

To be fair, there are active muslim leaders who work to persuade their fellow believers to remove themselves from the murky middle, the no man&#039;s land of see,hear and speak no evil of Islam and make their peaceful intentions known.

There are, however, many phony &quot;moderate&quot; muslims who use the right language and various deception&#039;s to muddle any plain understanding of their position on Islamist violence, and whether or not a secret pleasure is derived when the infidels get their comeuppance.

Knowing another&#039;s heart is left to the Almighty.

People may not believe anything that you say, but they will believe EVERYTHING that you DO.

It&#039;s time Muslims in America and across the globe make a stand against the unbridled murder of non-combatants. 

Hank

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2226</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Grit,</p>
<p>I agree.</p>
<p>To be fair, there are active muslim leaders who work to persuade their fellow believers to remove themselves from the murky middle, the no man&#8217;s land of see,hear and speak no evil of Islam and make their peaceful intentions known.</p>
<p>There are, however, many phony &#8220;moderate&#8221; muslims who use the right language and various deception&#8217;s to muddle any plain understanding of their position on Islamist violence, and whether or not a secret pleasure is derived when the infidels get their comeuppance.</p>
<p>Knowing another&#8217;s heart is left to the Almighty.</p>
<p>People may not believe anything that you say, but they will believe EVERYTHING that you DO.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time Muslims in America and across the globe make a stand against the unbridled murder of non-combatants. </p>
<p>Hank</p>
<p><a href="http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2226" rel="nofollow">http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2226</a></p>
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		<title>By: britandgrit</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hank,

I would point out that, while all Muslims may not be evil fanatics, the vast majority of them don&#039;t seem to mind the evil fanatics in their midst.  

the Grit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hank,</p>
<p>I would point out that, while all Muslims may not be evil fanatics, the vast majority of them don&#8217;t seem to mind the evil fanatics in their midst.  </p>
<p>the Grit</p>
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		<title>By: icanplainlysee</title>
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		<dc:creator>icanplainlysee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 05:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kurt,

Im going to excuse your need to be so graciously ecumenical with an ideology you obviously know nothing about.

Go put a &quot;war is not the answer&quot; bumper sticker on your car and run up to Starbucks. Then sit down with a good book and learn something about Islam and this medieval 7th century manual for world domination.

Then come have your say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kurt,</p>
<p>Im going to excuse your need to be so graciously ecumenical with an ideology you obviously know nothing about.</p>
<p>Go put a &#8220;war is not the answer&#8221; bumper sticker on your car and run up to Starbucks. Then sit down with a good book and learn something about Islam and this medieval 7th century manual for world domination.</p>
<p>Then come have your say.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://icanplainlysee.wordpress.com/2007/02/11/imam-prays-for-conversion-of-democrats/#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A century ago, adherents of the Jewish religion were deemed hostile. Yes, there are some radical extremists in the Muslim community to be sure. But it is a faith, just like Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, etc..
Remember the former leader of Iran, the Muslim Shah who was our best buddy since Eisenhower gave him back his palace?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A century ago, adherents of the Jewish religion were deemed hostile. Yes, there are some radical extremists in the Muslim community to be sure. But it is a faith, just like Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, etc..<br />
Remember the former leader of Iran, the Muslim Shah who was our best buddy since Eisenhower gave him back his palace?</p>
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		<title>By: icanplainlysee</title>
		<link>http://icanplainlysee.wordpress.com/2007/02/11/imam-prays-for-conversion-of-democrats/#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>icanplainlysee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Grit,

Point taken. In the rush to appear proper and in tune with multiculti types, as well as providing ingratiation to Islamic &quot;civil liberty&quot; groups, the body politic will certainly cave to the squeaky wheel of the American Left, shoving to the forefront the newest misunderstood, victimized minority.

Whether, or not, this new pander to radical Islamists in such a public way continues as a plank of party platform, or is rather some misguided, sloppily thought out choice of speakers, remains to be seen.

The alliance of the Left and Islam has been an ongoing reality for decades. I would hope they realize their heads will roll like everyone else when the choice is reduced to whether or not your Islamic, not whether or not you hate American ideals and civilization.

Hank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Grit,</p>
<p>Point taken. In the rush to appear proper and in tune with multiculti types, as well as providing ingratiation to Islamic &#8220;civil liberty&#8221; groups, the body politic will certainly cave to the squeaky wheel of the American Left, shoving to the forefront the newest misunderstood, victimized minority.</p>
<p>Whether, or not, this new pander to radical Islamists in such a public way continues as a plank of party platform, or is rather some misguided, sloppily thought out choice of speakers, remains to be seen.</p>
<p>The alliance of the Left and Islam has been an ongoing reality for decades. I would hope they realize their heads will roll like everyone else when the choice is reduced to whether or not your Islamic, not whether or not you hate American ideals and civilization.</p>
<p>Hank</p>
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		<title>By: icanplainlysee</title>
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		<dc:creator>icanplainlysee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anti,

You were right, we agree on practically every issue regarding Islam. We part company in the area of critical importance, which is, what should be done about it.

Clearly, American foreign policy has left us with the military version of what will be an endless war with those whose mission in life is to subjugate unbelievers. Europe, living with the post Christian social democratic state has shown the kind of results that I would posit fan the flames of your personal interest in exposing to others just what&#039;s taking place, and I appeciate your effort to do this.

The world knows the dying populations of the EU, the necessity for a largely muslim  immigrant workforce to replace the unborn natives and their consequent taxation to fill state coffers and to accomodate, simply put, the addiction to cradle to grave welfare, places the continent squarely behind the eightball.

Unchecked muslim immigration, their unwillingness to assimilate into national identity or culture, the demographic imbalance of muslims and natives, and most importantly the refusal of the EU as a whole to stop what they most certainly realize is continental suicide and you have all the ingredients for the complete Islamization of most of the cradle of the Western world.

In my humble view, clamoring for an American withdrawal behind the Maginot line of the non Islamicized world begs the question, when do you halt retreat? Where do you retreat to, exactly? Behind what line do you place yourself and your family so they are safe and secure from jihad?

It seems France and Germany, in their refusal to commit to a resolute dealing with the medieval rulers of the middle east and the attempt to provide governmental option to the enslaved makes no difference in the final conclusion. The EU is disintegrating from within, incrementally, drip by submissive drip, until failure to act, percieved as weakness, which it ultimately is, erodes and conforms to the new Islam, one inhabiting the structure of old Europe, but with a decidedly muslim world view.

The ostrich-like withdrawal enthusiasts fail to consider either the zeal of the enemies of civilization or the consequences of pretending that things will be just fine if we all just try and get along.

Doing nothing is no longer an option.

Thanks for commenting Anti. Please let me have your link again, I was unable to reach your site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anti,</p>
<p>You were right, we agree on practically every issue regarding Islam. We part company in the area of critical importance, which is, what should be done about it.</p>
<p>Clearly, American foreign policy has left us with the military version of what will be an endless war with those whose mission in life is to subjugate unbelievers. Europe, living with the post Christian social democratic state has shown the kind of results that I would posit fan the flames of your personal interest in exposing to others just what&#8217;s taking place, and I appeciate your effort to do this.</p>
<p>The world knows the dying populations of the EU, the necessity for a largely muslim  immigrant workforce to replace the unborn natives and their consequent taxation to fill state coffers and to accomodate, simply put, the addiction to cradle to grave welfare, places the continent squarely behind the eightball.</p>
<p>Unchecked muslim immigration, their unwillingness to assimilate into national identity or culture, the demographic imbalance of muslims and natives, and most importantly the refusal of the EU as a whole to stop what they most certainly realize is continental suicide and you have all the ingredients for the complete Islamization of most of the cradle of the Western world.</p>
<p>In my humble view, clamoring for an American withdrawal behind the Maginot line of the non Islamicized world begs the question, when do you halt retreat? Where do you retreat to, exactly? Behind what line do you place yourself and your family so they are safe and secure from jihad?</p>
<p>It seems France and Germany, in their refusal to commit to a resolute dealing with the medieval rulers of the middle east and the attempt to provide governmental option to the enslaved makes no difference in the final conclusion. The EU is disintegrating from within, incrementally, drip by submissive drip, until failure to act, percieved as weakness, which it ultimately is, erodes and conforms to the new Islam, one inhabiting the structure of old Europe, but with a decidedly muslim world view.</p>
<p>The ostrich-like withdrawal enthusiasts fail to consider either the zeal of the enemies of civilization or the consequences of pretending that things will be just fine if we all just try and get along.</p>
<p>Doing nothing is no longer an option.</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting Anti. Please let me have your link again, I was unable to reach your site.</p>
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		<title>By: britandgrit</title>
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		<dc:creator>britandgrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi i,

Interesting.  Now, what do you think the chances are that most Presidential candidates will have at least on Muslim staffer to stand behind them for photo ops?

the Grit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi i,</p>
<p>Interesting.  Now, what do you think the chances are that most Presidential candidates will have at least on Muslim staffer to stand behind them for photo ops?</p>
<p>the Grit</p>
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		<title>By: anticant</title>
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		<dc:creator>anticant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do Democrats - or Republicans -  expect if you are stupid enough to believe there is such a thing as an &#039;ecumenical&#039; Muslim? Islam, as the man says, means &#039;submission&#039;,  they strive for territory and wherever they take over we Infidels will be not merely second-class citizens [dhimmis],but mental and moral slaves. To wilfully ignore the clear doctrines of Islam, and try and square the circle by deluding ourselves that if we act &#039;inclusively&#039; Muslims will eventually embrace our open society and free speech traditions, is crazy - just as the notion of bringing democracy to the Middle East at the point of a gun is crazy. If it weren&#039;t for the West&#039;s dependence on oil, complete withdrawal from the region would be far the best policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do Democrats &#8211; or Republicans &#8211;  expect if you are stupid enough to believe there is such a thing as an &#8216;ecumenical&#8217; Muslim? Islam, as the man says, means &#8217;submission&#8217;,  they strive for territory and wherever they take over we Infidels will be not merely second-class citizens [dhimmis],but mental and moral slaves. To wilfully ignore the clear doctrines of Islam, and try and square the circle by deluding ourselves that if we act &#8216;inclusively&#8217; Muslims will eventually embrace our open society and free speech traditions, is crazy &#8211; just as the notion of bringing democracy to the Middle East at the point of a gun is crazy. If it weren&#8217;t for the West&#8217;s dependence on oil, complete withdrawal from the region would be far the best policy.</p>
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